The infant landed on Colchis, a world of excellence, beauty and most of all, faith. Seriously, Archaon has nothing on this guy...#BlameLorgar. Note: If Fulgrim is concussed he loses a significant amount of damage, but even at his worst (Laer, no CoT and concussed) he matches Lorgar's output and will beat him one turn earlier. We no longer bear the word, my friend. Precognition, as previously mentioned, turns him into a challenge monster who gets to reroll all of the things. As of M42 where shit has most definitely hit the fan in the form of the Great Rift splitting the Galaxy in half, Lorgar has apparently been seen leading the Word Bearers on their Unholy Crusades. Lorgar hits 3 times, wounds 2.5 times, 1.25 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.917 wounds at the start of the next turn. Lorgar versus Guilliman is one of the most tragic tale. Also, looks just like Patrick Stewart, and Handsome Squidward. Round 2: Ferrus hits 2.666 times, wounds 2.221 times (Forgebreaker)/1.777 times (Bare Hands), 1.11 times after saves (Forgebreaker)/0.888 times (Bare Hands) after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.777/0.555 wounds at the start of the next turn. Lorgar hits 3 times, wounds 2.5 times, 1.25 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.917 wounds at the start of the next turn. Really, your imagination is the limit and the ability to have the power that will benefit you the most against the army you're playing is worth the 75 point Lorgar upgrade, all day every day. Which is totally understandable as the Emprah had waited a whole century to tell that he was not at all into this being worshipped as a god thing Lorgar kept preaching about all the time, only to have the Ultramarines destroy the city Lorgar considered one of his greatest achievements to make his point - again - this was 100 years after Lorgar's discovery by big E, and Lorgar rightfully pointed out to Magnus that the Emprah had spent weeks on Colchis following his arrival and had witnessed that people were clearly worshipping him as a God, yet had said nothing then, only to tell Lorgar a century later that he was a failure and should shape up (see "The First Heretic"). Guilliman utilized his skills as a tactician and strategist to fight in his Father's crusade, preferring to form battle plans rather than actually participate in the fighting himself (though he still did his fair share of Xeno-killing). Primarch fighting, while fun to see isn't a very competitive thing to do as it'll usually tie up both Primarchs for the entire game without either of them dying (and Lorgar's abilities and statline mean he's much better suited to fighting marines where he can Instant Death them), with that in mind this section is how Lorgar fares against other Primarchs Mathhammer wise. And both felt more or less distanced from others due to their interests ad ideologies. Round 1 (FireBlade): Fulgrim hits 4.147 times, wounds 2.456 times, 1.228 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.895 wounds at the start of the next turn. While losing access to Telepathy (and Invisibility by extension) in his revised rules is a bit of a setback since he can't cheese his way through most Primarch vs. Primarch fights like he used to, the variety of supporting powers that Divination provide are a fine compensation for that. Dirty Trick: Upgrade Lorgar to Lorgar Transfigured and give him Precognition. Lorgar's religiosity threatened to undermine his top-secret project to starve Chaos of any kind of worship. Also because it runs totally counter to the beliefs that Lorgar develops during The First Heretic, which are all about mankind embracing Chaos and everyone becoming willingly possessed like his Gal Vorbak. Suffice to say that it did not go to plan and a revived Horus curb-stomped him publicly in front of the entire massed traitor forces on Ullanor. Lorgar was taken in by Kor Phaeron, a former priest of the Covenant (Colchis' chief religious order) and a Chaos worshipper. All fostered and nurtured by Lorgar. During the Great Crusade, Lorgar loved the Emperor. Magnus (round 1): hits 2.222 times, wounds 1.728 times and 0.576 after saves which IWND will take down to 0.242 wounds at the start of next turn, Magnus: hits 2.667 times, wounds 2.222 times and 0.741 after saves which IWND will take down to 0.407 wounds at the start of next turn, Lorgar: hits 2 times, wounds 1.667 times and 0.833 after saves which IWND will take down to 0.5 wounds at the start of the next turn. Round 1: Angron hits 4.888 times, wounds 3.846 times, 1.923 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.59 wounds at the start of the next turn. The human incarnation of 'Did Nothing Wrong'. Guilliman had similar reservations. Round 2 (Laer Blade): Fulgrim hits 4.666 times, wounds 2.333 times, 1.166 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.833 wounds at the start of the next turn. @the_imperator said: Objuration Mechanicum is another solid power, getting easy hull points off vehicle squadrons or making units kill themselves that rely on volume of fire to cause wounds in the shooting phase. Seriously, just... don't. This page was last edited on 2 November 2020, at 13:18. Lorgar, though? He also has a particular hatred for atheists, so he loathes his atheist daddy Emprah and the weeaboo space communists more than he hates everything else. HOWEVER, there are these factors to be considered: Now, with these factors in mind, a Reasonable ruler who is not headachingly retarded, once he would find out what kind of person he was dealing with, would perhaps simply relieve him from his military duties, and instead would appoint him as head of the Imperial Propaganda or Diplomatic apparatus, where his talents would be used at maximum efficiency. Lorgar loses this fight. Round 2: Corvus hits 5.333 times (Scourge)/4 times (Shadow-walk), wounds 3.999 times (Scourge)/3 times (Shadow-walk), 1.999 wounds (Scourge)/1.5 wounds (Shadow-walk) after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.666/1.167 wounds at the start of the next turn. When Horus was elevated by the gods on Molech, Lorgar grew frustrated about how Horus would not submit to Chaos and received a vision of his leadership leading to their defeat on Terra. Round 1: Corvus hits 4.741 times (Scourge)/3.555 times (Shadow-walk), wounds 3.16 times (Scourge)/2.369 times (Shadow-walk), 1.58 wounds (Scourge)/1.184 wounds (Shadow-walk) after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.247/0.851 wounds at the start of the next turn. They're kind of like Jehovah's Witnesses, except instead of knocking on your door and telling you about Jesus they knock down your door and ask you which end of a daemon summoning you want to be on. So noble. Round 1: Horus hits 3.444 times, wounds 1.775 times, 0.887 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.554 wounds at the start of the next turn. His actions during the Heresy proved everyone wrong (or maybe his power grew massively once he tapped into his psychic powers- he nearly got shredded by Corvus during the Drop Site Massacre). Lorgar's main strength is that he's a ML2 psyker with access to Divination and Telekinesis. The lazy fuckwit has just been holed up on Sicarus meditating and traversing the warp, secretly "Crying and weeping in guilt for what he has done" quote unquote by our spiritual liege himself, Rawbutt Derpyman. Unfortunately, Lorgar turned out to be closer in mentality to Erebus than he would ever like to admit. Round 1: Ferrus hits 2.37 times, wounds 1.865 times (Forgebreaker)/1.58 times (Bare Hands), 0.932 times after saves (Forgebreaker)/0.79 times (Bare Hands) after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.599/0.457 wounds at the start of the next turn. He also bore the greatest physical similarity to the Emperor: under his golden tattoos he looked exactly like a younger version of Big E's true form (yeah, yeah, da Emprah told Corax that he had no true form, but then he also said that daemons were minor xenos pests, so figure that out yourself). Hell, even in 40k none could rival their resolve (apart from Tyranids until you kill their synapse, or Deathwing Terminators). Tl;dr: EVERYTHING is this guy's fault. As for Dorn vs. Perturabo, that's pretty much 50/50. Colchis was a world of old gods. One of the main reasons for the slow rate of reclamation by Lorgar was because he spent large amount of time spreading his ideology among local population. Yes, we know what you're thinking and no, Horus was just the most powerful Primarch to lead the actual Rebellion and the first to be public about it. We struggle with a mercurial mind, Honorius. Lorgar hits 3 times, wounds 2 times, 1 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.667 wounds at the start of the next turn. That Bible they administer to citizens daily? So its natural that the Religious Preacher and a Philosopher King saw kindred spirits in eachother. That said, Perturabo was incredibly good at siegecraft, to the point where the Codex Astartes still has Perturabo's teachings in it, even though he's now a Daemon Prince. One need only consider the Harlequin dancers of the Eldar to see the truth of this proposition.” Leman Russ … More significantly, when Lorgar asked Russ and Magnus to stop fighting, they actually listened.